P
Podcastsby easyscribe.ai
  • Podcasts
  • About us
  • Contact us
Request Podcast
/
/
/
P
Podcasts
Let the audio touch your heart, and the transcript stay with you.
  • About us
  • Contact us
  • Privacy
  • Terms
Home/Podcasts/GaryVee/The Cynicism Tax Is Costing You More Than You Think
The Cynicism Tax Is Costing You More Than You Think
GaryVee

The Cynicism Tax Is Costing You More Than You Think

26:16Published March 30, 2026
Transcribed from audio to text byEasyScribe

Episode Description

Gary Vaynerchuk is a serial entrepreneur and serves as the Chairman of VaynerX, the CEO of VaynerMedia, and the Creator and CEO of VeeFriends. Gary is considered one of the leading global minds on what’s next in culture, relevance, and the internet. Known as “GaryVee,” he is described as one of the most forward thinkers in business. He is a prolific angel investor with early investments in companies like Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Venmo, Snapchat, Coinbase, and Uber. In addition to running multiple businesses, Gary documents his daily life as a CEO through his social media channels, which have more than 45 million followers and garner over 300 million monthly impressions/views across all platforms. Gary serves on the board of MikMak, Bojangles Restaurants, Global Citizen Forum, and Pencils of Promise. He is also a longtime Well Member of charity: water.

Transcript

00:00:00

You believe it's a good investment to put $15,000 into a group fund with 10 other buddies to buy a single-family home for $150,000 and make money off the derivative?

00:00:09

You believe it.

00:00:09

You say no, they go on and do it, and by fucking year 3, they're already paid back and making money for the rest of their life.

00:00:16

You're fucking dead inside because you believed yes, but you allowed cynicism and fear to make you go no.

00:00:21

That is the cynicism tax.

00:00:23

The cynicism tax, why being realistic isn't as real as you think.

00:00:28

So stop mistaking negativity for reality and start using optimism to get things done.

00:00:32

And I just wanted to get your definition of what a cynicism tax is.

00:00:37

A cynicism tax is defined in my mind of you're deploying a perspective of no

00:00:45

without putting in the efforts to see if it's a maybe, thus rendering

00:00:52

you having no capacity to ever find upside that others don't see,

00:01:01

or even few see, or the masses don't see.

00:01:06

When you're in a practical optimism framework, you're saying maybe to everything.

00:01:12

And when you say maybe to everything and you, you have the humility to quote unquote waste your time, aka use your time to potentially say yes to something that most will say no to.

00:01:24

How do you think I found myself being right about email marketing, about having a website, around Google AdWords, influencer marketing, mobile, like everything that I've watched anyone

00:01:38

who's innovated

00:01:41

is met with nos.

00:01:43

I am in practical optimism.

00:01:47

Which, oh, by the way, let me address this because I saw a piece of content this weekend where it said that I'm the king of toxic positivity.

00:01:57

And I was laughing with how many people have, you know, and you know this, a lot of people are trying to weaponize this term, right?

00:02:04

It— nothing could be more interesting to me than people have decided to create a term called toxic positivity and and try to weaponize it against humans, it's truly one of the saddest

00:02:16

things I've seen in the world.

00:02:19

Here's why.

00:02:20

Toxic positivity

00:02:23

is really just slang term for delusion,

00:02:26

right?

00:02:28

Or a dream, right?

00:02:29

If that word didn't exist, they'd be like, Gary's just selling them a fake dream, right?

00:02:36

For me,

00:02:38

All I talk about is practical truths.

00:02:42

All I believe in is accountability.

00:02:45

The market is always right.

00:02:47

People are confusing practical optimism with toxic positivity or delusion because they don't know the difference between trying for a little while or wasting all your time and money

00:03:01

on it forever.

00:03:03

I am the king of what some people would say wasting minutes and hours and days on hypotheses that end up not being true,

00:03:16

but that level of curiosity and practical optimism has also led me to 40 things that are so true that the upside of those 40 truths has created remarkable economic and emotional happiness.

00:03:31

The tax on cynicism is none of the people that deploy it, Sammy,

00:03:37

could have ever discovered the gold at the other side of the rainbow 'cause they never slid down the rainbow.

00:03:44

'Cause they never, they don't even try 'cause they're not even in the game.

00:03:48

And like real talk, if you are trying to accomplish something but you've already talked yourself out of it and you're not doing it, doesn't that actually render it 100% impossible?

00:04:00

The end.

00:04:02

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

00:04:07

And people are so

00:04:09

scared and are so believing the negativity in the world

00:04:16

that they choose to weaponize cynicism as a protection mechanism.

00:04:21

And then if that's not enough, they go and try to deploy toxic positivity on people that are practically optimistic.

00:04:31

I cannot laugh more about

00:04:36

that.

00:04:37

I also think it's really— I also think— People are fearful-based?

00:04:40

Yes, that's exactly what's happening.

00:04:42

They're so feared that they're in misery loves company and they try to deploy cynicism and labels to make sure everyone else doesn't do anything either.

00:04:52

What about when it's like, sometimes like your family, like my family are immigrants, right?

00:04:55

And it's almost like protection because it's like, I love you so much that I don't want you to like, we need to be like protected from these risks.

00:05:03

We did all these risks.

00:05:04

I agree.

00:05:05

Now like protect yourself.

00:05:06

Makes sense.

00:05:06

How old are you?

00:05:08

I'm 31.

00:05:09

Great.

00:05:09

Tell your parents you're 31.

00:05:12

Like when people ask me like, what do I do, Gary?

00:05:14

With that I'm like, you know, like I get it.

00:05:17

Like I didn't ride a bike I'm scared of dogs as a kid, and I was scared of swimming because my mom was scared I was gonna get drowned and bit by a dog.

00:05:28

I know what fear is.

00:05:31

I have no judgment.

00:05:33

Unlike, you know, it's funny, unlike people that are affected by my optimism and want to sling toxic positivity, I don't call it toxic cynicism.

00:05:45

I don't call it toxic fear.

00:05:47

Notice what I called it, the cynicism tax.

00:05:52

I don't even want to— I always laugh when people want to hurt.

00:05:56

I don't even want to use that word toxic because I don't want to hurt people's feelings.

00:06:00

But do I believe that most of the people that read this article or watch this clip have a cynicism tax?

00:06:06

Yes, I do.

00:06:07

I think most people do not achieve— now, to the Let me counter myself.

00:06:12

Let me join the ranks.

00:06:14

Do I think that there are people that are downright delusional?

00:06:17

Like delusional.

00:06:19

Sure, I meet 'em all the time.

00:06:22

You know, those people do gravitate to me.

00:06:24

You know, it's funny, I get both sides.

00:06:27

You know what gravitates to me?

00:06:28

The extreme cynics that are like so tired and are 10 years into their cynicism that they're actually ready for my practical optimism.

00:06:35

They're not in year 1 where they're gonna leave a comment, toxic, king of toxic positivity.

00:06:39

They're in year 7 where they're like, clearly my way didn't work.

00:06:42

I wanna actually know what this guy's been talking about for the last 20 years.

00:06:46

And then there's people that a lot of those people are making fun of and think exist, which is like delusional people.

00:06:54

Which is why, Sammy, Matt, I always talk about work ethic, accountability, the market is the market.

00:07:03

Yes, you should quit after 4.5 years of sucking at the same thing over and over.

00:07:07

Like, you know, like— [Speaker] It's almost like— For the delusional, but it sounds like the reps are the proof, right?

00:07:13

Of like that thing that you're striving for.

00:07:15

It's sports.

00:07:15

Like you're saying, you put in that work, that work ethic is the proof.

00:07:19

It's sports.

00:07:20

Of that, yeah.

00:07:21

I laugh when people want to take shots.

00:07:23

I'm like, have you looked at my baseball card?

00:07:26

Turn it to the back.

00:07:27

Do you understand what I've done?

00:07:31

It's your world.

00:07:32

I'm here with Steve from VaynerSpeakers.

00:07:34

Like I told Steve and Zak, like as early as I met them, when I met Steve I was already somewhere.

00:07:40

Zak got me a little bit earlier, but you actually, actually that's right.

00:07:44

Steve, like, right, Steve knew of me, and like I told everybody I was gonna be a very successful speaker.

00:07:52

Whether I was brash and delusional or positive, if I was deploying toxic positivity on myself or not, or, you know, Steve was like, or Zak thought a little too brash or too much cursing

00:08:04

or not professional enough or, Yeah, I just don't get it, which is like super valid.

00:08:08

Like, I've been wrong about people all the time.

00:08:11

It didn't really matter in 2011 what I thought or what they thought.

00:08:16

It just plays out.

00:08:19

It just plays out.

00:08:22

And so,

00:08:24

um,

00:08:25

I would just tell everybody who's reading this that

00:08:30

if you're willing to be quiet and really understand, are you on the side of paying a cynicism tax.

00:08:37

If you're on the side of the other side of the pillow, delusion at scale.

00:08:41

Try to find this middle, which is grounded in maybe.

00:08:45

I'm a maybe trying to find yes guy.

00:08:50

I'm not yes at everything,

00:08:53

but fuck, man, boy do I see the world loaded with people that are no one.

00:09:00

I mean, my father literally says no to everything.

00:09:02

I'm get.

00:09:04

Sorry, I like that because that was a bar.

00:09:06

I was like, let him cook.

00:09:08

I was like, yeah, keep going.

00:09:10

You know, that's it.

00:09:12

I just— how could you possibly achieve something if you killed it before you started?

00:09:17

And then that's what got me down.

00:09:19

Now I'll give you the insight of my career.

00:09:21

That's what then got me to, why are people doing this?

00:09:23

Oh wait, people are saying no to protect themselves from losing publicly.

00:09:29

Think about how safe it is.

00:09:31

I'm gonna shit on people like Gary and others who are positive and say they're toxic positivity.

00:09:36

That makes me feel like I'm doing something because in real life I'm doing nothing.

00:09:40

And also the comment section too, it's so easy to be able to do that.

00:09:44

You feel like you're— and you feel like you did something, like, yay, I got 150.

00:09:48

Like, on my— this post that I'm like talking about this weekend, ooh, 900 people agreed with me.

00:09:52

See, Gary, you're wrong.

00:09:53

I'm like, okay.

00:09:54

See you on the other side.

00:09:56

Can't wait.

00:09:57

Like, let's see how this plays out.

00:09:58

There's really no logic, like no actual practical logic to be a queen of cynicism.

00:10:06

Optimism is not the same word as delusion, and cynicism is not the same word as thoughtful.

00:10:14

It's good to be thoughtful so you don't buy a million-dollar lottery ticket.

00:10:18

Like, you don't want to be, right?

00:10:20

But again, I think people think cynicism is the same as like, well, Gary, if I wasn't cynical, I would've invested in that beachfront property in Peru with my neighbors and we all lost

00:10:30

our money.

00:10:31

I'm like, that's not cynicism, that's being thoughtful.

00:10:35

Cynicism is deep— what's the Webster's definition of cynicism, T?

00:10:39

An inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest.

00:10:44

Skepticism.

00:10:48

That would be like the people selling us the beachfront property in Peru aren't just selling a beachfront property and letting us make a decision.

00:10:55

They're trying to trick us to take our money and it's gonna be bad for us.

00:10:59

That's different than this is a neutral business deal and should we, the 4 of us,

00:11:05

you know, should we all pile in our dollars?

00:11:07

We got a new friend here.

00:11:08

Can you add $20 to it and can we buy this property?

00:11:13

The cynics will point to the 9 times it doesn't work out.

00:11:16

I'll speak to the time where I bought beachfront Malibu property for $100,000.

00:11:21

It's worth $40 million.

00:11:24

I didn't do that, I'm just saying good examples.

00:11:26

And understanding that we are not talking about thoughtfulness and delusion.

00:11:32

It's very important you weave that in.

00:11:34

Like, I wanna make a very strong point.

00:11:36

There's a reason cynicism exists as a word, and there's a reason why thoughtful, or whatever, what's the opposite of cynicism?

00:11:43

I use thoughtful first to mind, but there's other good words, I'm sure.

00:11:47

Let's ask.

00:11:48

I think optimism is kind of— It?

00:11:50

A synonym, yeah.

00:11:51

Yeah, so these are the cousins, right?

00:11:53

So, right, to me, I use optimism, but that's not delusion.

00:11:58

In fact, actually ChatGPT, what's the difference between optimism and delusion's good.

00:12:01

What's the difference between cynicism and thoughtfulness, I think are like really good prompts.

00:12:05

That's my point.

00:12:07

The general public, when they hear cynicism and optimism or positivity,

00:12:13

I mean, the concept that there is even an ability to be toxically positive, is so stupid.

00:12:18

It's a misunderstanding of positive.

00:12:23

What they're trying to say is delusion.

00:12:28

It's sad that we're— we should kill that word.

00:12:30

It's gonna ruin the world.

00:12:33

Stop saying toxic positivity, start saying delusional, because positivity and delusion are not the same.

00:12:41

But you're tricking the kids.

00:12:42

I'm fucking pissed about this.

00:12:44

I've decided I'm pissed about this.

00:12:49

You're fucking ruining an entire generation's opportunity because of your own hurt and loserness.

00:12:56

Fuck that shit.

00:12:57

We're not letting that happen.

00:13:01

Putting it on a t-shirt.

00:13:02

Doing it.

00:13:03

I think that's good.

00:13:04

That's perfect for this article and then we'll have it all finished up.

00:13:07

Matthew, do you have one?

00:13:09

When you run into somebody who's in a no mindset,

00:13:14

a scarcity mindset, what are like the first tactical steps you take to getting them to skew toward, toward at least maybe?

00:13:23

By actually saying yes to something they want to say no to, to see how not bad it is,

00:13:29

and to tell them that this will likely not work out, but this is just practice.

00:13:36

Most people need to know what it feels like to lose $15,000 when they can't fully, they can afford it, like they're not dead, but it's a fucking ding.

00:13:45

Because once, if you really believed it,

00:13:50

you're gonna feel better than you think.

00:13:52

That's the part that most people don't understand, that if you actually believed it.

00:13:57

Here's the, let me break down the scenario if you wanna use the example.

00:14:00

You believe it's a good investment to put $15,000 into a group fund with 10 other buddies to buy a single-family home for $150,000 and make money off the derivative, you believe it.

00:14:12

You say no,

00:14:14

they go on and do it, and by fucking year 3 they're already paid back and making money for the rest of their life.

00:14:20

You're fucking dead inside because you believed yes, but you allowed cynicism and fear to make you go no.

00:14:26

That is the cynicism tax.

00:14:29

You go and put that $15,000 and it does not work out,

00:14:33

you don't feel as bad as the first example.

00:14:36

That is what I have to teach people to go through.

00:14:40

Got it?

00:14:41

How do you do it?

00:14:42

It's different.

00:14:43

It's just like working out.

00:14:44

How do you get someone to work out?

00:14:46

You physically drag their fucking ass out of their bed and bring them downstairs and go to the gym.

00:14:51

Like, until they do it, you can't do it.

00:14:56

And they'll fight you tooth and nail.

00:14:57

It's like an alcoholic.

00:14:59

I just wanted to kind of follow up on that because the things that I'm getting is like, it's either the worst feeling is like the regret of not doing it, or like the worst feeling is

00:15:08

the fear before you even start?

00:15:10

Like, which one do you think?

00:15:13

The worst feeling is you fully believe something

00:15:17

and you go against your feelings because you let fear stop you.

00:15:22

But in your true heart, like real talk, have you not done something in your life that you knew you wish you did, you wanted to, but fear stopped you, and then it played out in a way

00:15:32

that was good and you wish you were associated with that good?

00:15:36

Do you know what that feels like?

00:15:37

It feels the worst.

00:15:39

Like, you wish you dated that boy and said yes.

00:15:42

You wish you bought that thing.

00:15:44

You wish you invested in that stock.

00:15:46

You wish you took that job.

00:15:48

Like, it's, it's the worst feeling.

00:15:50

The worst feeling is your soul is telling you yes, and your brain fear— when you let that overpower your gut yes, you let your brain fear,

00:16:03

and then it— like,

00:16:07

the— let me give you— so it works out, you're upset.

00:16:10

Let me give you the reverse.

00:16:12

Your brain fear

00:16:15

says don't do it.

00:16:16

Your heart and soul says do it.

00:16:18

You take your brain, and then thing does not work out, it doesn't feel as good as you think it does.

00:16:25

The highs are much bigger.

00:16:27

On success than the lows feel in not success, and the highs are much higher than the grat— than the good feeling of your no worked out.

00:16:38

You're like, okay.

00:16:40

Like, some people get off on it.

00:16:41

See, told you, you 9 friends are suckers.

00:16:44

Like, you get your high on that, but there's no— you didn't win.

00:16:48

This is what I keep telling people.

00:16:49

You didn't win.

00:16:52

Like, think about— is that what you want your life to be?

00:16:54

That you make fun of your 9 friends who took a chance Like, is that fulfilling?

00:17:00

So like, again, like, what, like, this is real talk.

00:17:02

This makes sense.

00:17:04

Like, is that what you want your life to be?

00:17:05

Like, your 9 buddies failed, their restaurant investment failed, and what, you just be like, haha, I was the only smart, like, what are you doing?

00:17:12

Like, what is that life?

00:17:16

I'd rather lose with my buddies.

00:17:18

Like, the drinking nights of like making fun of us, like, remember when we tried to buy a Chinese restaurant in Alabama?

00:17:25

That 15 times you have that story over beers is worth the $15,000 that I— like, you know, and again, everything's relative and money's important.

00:17:34

Like, I'm not saying that.

00:17:37

I'm saying soul, your soul.

00:17:40

I'm saying like,

00:17:43

I mean, you can get at the end of the road and then you're gonna look back and you're gonna see everything, regrets.

00:17:51

You're not there with like your buddies anymore.

00:17:53

People have become, people become intoxicated with like labeling everyone else without realizing it has nothing to do with their life.

00:18:01

When the fuck did we all decide that we were God?

00:18:05

People are literally walking around Earth like they think their fucking opinions are the fucking end-all be-all and they need to fucking spread it near and wide on everyone's comment.

00:18:13

Now, I put out a lot of content, but I'm passionate about perspectives, but I'm not trying to impose my will on people.

00:18:21

Like, I'm not going around the internet and being like, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.

00:18:26

I'm just putting out what I believe and like let the chips fall.

00:18:29

That's very, very, very different.

00:18:31

I'm out here doing things and letting the chips fall and living life.

00:18:36

Other people are going around and just shitting on things, cynical armies, and they think they're doing something.

00:18:42

They're not doing anything.

00:18:44

They're reacting to other people's doing, and they think the shitting on it is their contribution.

00:18:50

They're doing nothing,

00:18:53

and they're going to wake up soon and be like 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, like, oh wow, I did nothing.

00:19:00

I've watched this happen pre-social media.

00:19:03

I had a family of two very opposites.

00:19:05

People are about to get to 70, 80-year-olds and realize they did nothing in their life besides shit on other people's dreams.

00:19:12

That's great, congrats.

00:19:14

Hope you enjoyed that run on your only time on Earth.

00:19:17

What a fucking pathetic point of view.

00:19:19

[Speaker] You said that this is before social media 'cause I'm wondering too, like even on TV shows now, like I feel like TV shows there's team this one or team this one and the comment

00:19:29

section is so opinionated that it like informs like even the show.

00:19:34

And do you think, you said it's pre-social media 'cause I was gonna ask do you think it is social media that we all have an ability to leave a comment.

00:19:42

We, we all had our opinions.

00:19:44

They used to just sit at the kitchen table.

00:19:47

All of our great-grandmas had all sorts of opinions.

00:19:52

They were just confined to the park and their other two lady friends, the dinner table, right?

00:19:57

The PTA.

00:20:00

Now we're contributing to the ether.

00:20:04

But I don't think people understand Like, here's one thing that I'm fascinated by.

00:20:08

The cynics, they're accomplishing absolutely nothing.

00:20:15

What do you think makes them think— because clearly, like, it's still feeding it, so they're still doing it.

00:20:22

The cycle— well, like, something must be feeding that validation that they're getting, right?

00:20:28

Yeah, they think they're doing something.

00:20:30

They're confused.

00:20:31

You know who else is confused?

00:20:32

An alcoholic.

00:20:36

A drug addict.

00:20:38

A narcissist.

00:20:41

I have really bad news for people.

00:20:43

If you spend your life going around and shitting on people around the internet, you have a disease.

00:20:49

It's called insecurity.

00:20:56

Like, it's going to be widely understood as a massive disease.

00:21:00

People spend 5, 6 hours a night going around the internet and shitting on people.

00:21:07

That's a very hurt person.

00:21:10

We didn't know alcoholism was a problem.

00:21:12

You know that, right?

00:21:13

Like, we knew, but like, we didn't know.

00:21:15

Do you know what I mean?

00:21:15

Like, we're like, oh, he's a drunk, you know?

00:21:18

Like, like,

00:21:20

we do not understand this, and I am going to yell at the top of my lungs about this.

00:21:24

This will be diagnosed in due time.

00:21:28

It's a really bad thing.

00:21:30

And cancel culture, like tearing down the establishment because of your own pain, became— it's just, it just does not work.

00:21:40

It has never worked.

00:21:42

It just leads to a very dark and angry place because you're just in a cocoon of dark,

00:21:50

toxic, positive.

00:21:51

Do you know insane toxic positivity is?

00:21:56

As if positivity

00:21:58

is like a problem.

00:22:00

It's one thing if you don't try and you shut your fucking mouth and you talk to no one

00:22:07

and you're not trying by yourself within yourself, right?

00:22:10

Like you're just sitting at home, you're not trying, and you're not bothering anyone.

00:22:15

I kind of am like,

00:22:17

you know, my heart pours for that person.

00:22:19

I'm like, yo, I hope I can find them and be like, you should try.

00:22:22

It's a whole nother thing to not try and spend all your time, what you should be doing in trying, to tear down everyone else who's trying.

00:22:34

That's called cancel culture.

00:22:36

That's called comment keyboard warriors.

00:22:39

That's called a bunch of punk-ass bitches.

00:22:46

That's a disease.

00:22:49

When you're interviewing, say, an executive, is this something that you can sort of spot in someone?

00:22:54

Yeah, sometimes.

00:22:55

Only if, by the way, only in the extremes.

00:22:58

In interviewing, only the extremes.

00:23:01

I knew in 5 seconds that Claude was awesome.

00:23:06

Only if you're like in the top 10% to the extremes.

00:23:08

Like all of you, I couldn't.

00:23:12

Really, I'm just talking, like you have to be like top 10, like delusionally, like, almost like a Buddha, like me.

00:23:18

I think like a lot of people can read me early, even before I was me.

00:23:23

Like you just kinda know when you meet people, like, oh wow, that's like a lot of positive energy, like da da da, and then you watch quickly and think back it up, right?

00:23:31

Brandon, I knew that about Brandon in 5 seconds.

00:23:34

That's why I still know him 40 years later.

00:23:36

First day of high school, I knew, knew.

00:23:40

And then I went to a baseball card show with him 6 weeks in, and he worked hard.

00:23:44

And like, I literally told my father, I'm gonna hire this guy for the store in October of my freshman year of high school.

00:23:49

Didn't work for us for 8 years from that.

00:23:52

Like, knew that all the way to the other side.

00:23:55

There have definitely been people I've known— like, I sometimes get like visceral human, like goosebumps, like turn in my stomach when someone's very negative.

00:24:05

Like, like an animal, you know, like animals Like run away.

00:24:09

Like I run away from people.

00:24:10

It's been a great gift in my life.

00:24:12

Run away.

00:24:15

Where I've gotten caught is sometimes I know someone's hurt, and I see them as a charity project.

00:24:21

I've hired a lot of those.

00:24:22

That's where I've hired poorly.

00:24:24

They're not complete visceral poison.

00:24:27

They're a charity project for me, and I blended my charitable work in my professional job, and I want to stop doing that.

00:24:33

And I've stopped doing that.

00:24:34

Like, good news, all 4 of you are fairly new.

00:24:36

None of you were hired as a charity case.

00:24:39

Whereas, like, no bullshit, somebody could have gotten your jobs that was half as good as you in my subjective opinion interviewing because I wasn't able to detach my charitable energy

00:24:51

from my operational energy.

00:24:54

Especially when they're— it tends to always map similar to my dad, like deeply insecure.

00:25:00

Which is always the tell.

00:25:02

Usually older, you know, like some of the characters that are still around, like, fit that.

00:25:07

I just haven't fully reconciled yet, but I'm not adding anymore.

00:25:12

How much of your success,

00:25:16

very generally speaking, doesn't have to be anything specific, just generally, do you think has to do with this conversation skewed toward, toward maybe towards some of that optimism

00:25:27

allowing serendipity to sort of just play out?

00:25:30

Way more than you could ever imagine.

00:25:35

Way more.

00:25:35

Like, if I had to put a percentage on it, a number that would make your head spin, there is a potential— my practical optimism framework, the fact that I approach almost everything

00:25:44

with a maybe with an effort to get to yes, has a substantial double-figure, 20%, 30% Maybe more.

00:25:54

Maybe I can't even see it.

00:25:55

That's how much I know how big it is.

00:25:57

Maybe all of it.

00:26:02

It's really a big deal.

00:26:03

That's why I'm passionate

00:26:09

about it.

Next Episode

The Internet Changed… And Most People Missed It